The Naturodetox Podcast Episode 8: The Ayurvedic Approach to Healing with Tiffany Nicholson-Smith

The following is a transcript from the NaturoDetox Podcast #8.

 Welcome to The NaturoDetox Show with your host, Meghan Kennedy Brind, a show about hope and achieving optimal health in a toxic world. The food we eat, the products we use, the air we breathe, the people we interact with and even the very thoughts we think. It's all here and it all affects us. This podcast was designed to help you navigate how you can not only survive, but thrive in today's world. You're the author to your story. So listen in and allow us to help you become the best version of you. Through discussions with a variety of wellness experts, you can gain access into this world that is yet to be fully unraveled, but is quite possibly the very key to vitality, longevity and joy.

        Hi, it's your host Meghan and thank you for joining us on another episode of The NaturoDetox Show. Today, I have a lovely guest here, meditation and yoga teacher, ayervedic practitioner, the owner and founder of Rasa Ayurvedic, Tiffany, welcome.

Tiffany: Well, Thank you so much Meghan.

Meghan: You're welcome. I'm so excited for today because I was just telling Tiffany that my desk is full of the products from Rasa because I'm just so passionate about them. It's a company that is just so beyond the natural products and supplements that I'm often working with from the naturopathic perspective. Your company, to me, feels more like a movement, a way of living, a way of being, and an energy that you just, you can't capture unless you actually take these products. And that was the main difference for me, and we'll talk about that. So as both a practitioner and a client of Rasa, I find your products just on this different dimension of healing and I'm excited to be able to learn how you make these products, and what you put into them and where this passion comes from. So to the listeners who don't know a lot about Ayurvedic medicine, this is a really exciting podcast for me to do. So thank you again, and we're excited to have you.

Tiffany:  Thank you so much Meghan. And it's amazing to hear that how Rosa has come to touch your heart because actually that was our intention, that was the vision. So I love hearing that.

Meghan: Amazing. So as I often start with, I want you to tell us a little bit about your vision behind building this company, sort of what the passion is, what the why is and where it all came from.

Tiffany:  Yeah actually, exactly as you said Meghan, about it being a movement, that was the vision from the beginning, really. All those years ago in India when I was first touched by Ayurveda, I never thought I would be where I am now, offering it in a clinical sense. And maybe you also had the same kind of trajectory, being inspired around natural medicine, being inspired around wellness and deep and true health, and then being afforded the opportunity to really hold space for other beings to come home to their own natural way of being. And so as that started to grow, what I noticed when I was working here in Canada with people was that we didn't really have an availability to a strong line or a really wide line of Ayurvedic high quality products, I would say as well.

        And so I was bringing things. When I was seeing people clinically, I was bringing them, from the states or I would even come sometimes with luggage from India, bringing some of the formulas, a few suitcases, and then I would make things individually for people. So I would make ingestibles or I'd be making the oils or I'd be making all these different products. So what you see at Rasa now is actually coming from that, it's coming from that time. And it's coming from the vision that I was really yearning that people would have an ongoing flow of access to this medicine. So that's where it arose from. And at the beginning, it was so beautiful Meghan, because I thought this will just be a small sideline to support the teachings of Ayurveda, to support the awareness of Ayurveda, and so that people have the access to these apothecary, it's hard for me to call them products, but this medicine in their lives. And then what happened was it blew up. So what we noticed is Ayurveda is also growing in popularity, but also my love for Ayurveda somehow has become a bit infectious.

Meghan: Absolutely, and how could it not. I think Ayurvedic medicine is something that in our program, we did talk a little bit about, but I mean, it was minuscule. And so I think for the average population, when they catch on to Ayurvedic principles and the healing mechanisms, I think it's like, you can't stop, it's addicting. It's just because you feel it at such a different level. So I love that. Can you actually just expand? I'm kind of skipping ahead of what I was thinking of asking, but I feel like it's so important for us to understand what is Ayurvedic medicine. What are the principles behind it? And I think for me, and I don't know as much as you, even close, but it's the energy component of healing as much as it is about the physical properties of the herb. So can you give us a synopsis of what is different about Ayurvedic medicine versus, say, naturopathic supplements? Where is that disconnect and that connection to see the difference between the healing energetically and then just the medicinal property of the herb?

Tiffany: Yeah, beautiful, so it depends on if, when we say Ayurvedic medicine, we're talking about the herbal medicine. So we're talking about the ingestibles or actually we talk about five-sense therapy. So the fact that we receive medicine through the five senses, not just the herbs that we take orally for example. So that already is so different from supplementation. But more than that, what I would love to say, Meghan, is that Ayurvedic medicine, before it becomes anything that engages with herbs, it's firstly, a medicine of engaging with ourselves. So this is what's powerful about Ayurveda because it welcomes us to really recognize our own constitution and the way in which we've moved out of alignment with our own naturalness, and to come back to naturalness, not just through herbs, actually that's the final step. But in Ayurveda, we talk about three treatment methods, and the first is diet, the second is lifestyle and the third is herbs.

Meghan: Oh, wow, okay.

Tiffany: So herbs only come thirdly. And from that, the understanding from Ayurveda is also that we don't really believe actually in supplementation. Because the idea is if we're in alignment with nature, if we're really in alignment with nature through our food, and also in alignment with nature through a lifestyle that is natural for our predisposition, for, as you said, energy, for our specific energetic makeup, the way we've come into this mosaic. Because every individual is different, right?

Meghan: Absolutely.

Tiffany: So we really get a grip on what it is that is our uniqueness in coming into this life, then that should be the greatest medicine and nothing should need to supplement that. That will be full, that will be in our fullness from that, our radiant fullness we could say. But the herbs come as really just an extra kind of, we could say an extra invitation towards returning to our naturalness. So the herbs try to bring us more into that alignment, and that's where the energy and the energetics really arise. Because from Ayurvedic perspective, everything has a specific energy of the five elements, actually from the Vedic perspective in general, whether it's Ayurveda, yoga, meditation, even we have traditions in the Vedic sciences around how we organize space, kind of like feng shui, it's called Vastu, also astrology. These are all based on that same principle, that there are five elements that animate all of life, and that those five elements live differently in each human being. So they have a different proportioning. That's all based on a whole host of things.

Meghan: Yeah, I imagine.

Tiffany: Which is maybe another podcast for us to discuss. But our karma is in the way in which we're birthed. You probably see it with your own children, so very different. Same parents, but the different elements, the different energies that they come into this life with. So the herbs are intended to bring those energies back into their place of constitutional harmony for you. And when I say that, that makes Ayurveda very very unique because it acknowledges that every person is unique, that every person comes with their own map, their own roadmap, their own blueprint. And that blueprint, when we stay in [inaudible 00:08:33].

       And so the herbs, but along with the diet and lifestyle, can help us to constitutionally stay in that alignment and to stay in our natural flow, we could say. So I don't know if that helps to answer the question. You know the five elements from earth, water, fire, air, and space?

Meghan: Yes.

Tiffany: The herbs will have different constitutional alignments to those elements, different properties. And then of course, as we know with naturopathy as well, and with all indigenous herbal medicine, they have their own, what we call in Ayurveda, Prabhavas. They have their own specific healing effects. So one of course is an adaptogens, we might use Western languaging. Whereas in Ayurveda we might call that a Rasayana, a rejuvenative. Whereas another is what we might call a Lekhana, it has a scraping or cleansing effect. So it's something that in a Western perspective, we might call a detoxifier. It all depends.

      So of course they have those properties, which are more the physical properties of the herbal medicine, but then they also have the energetics that, for example, a person who's feeling spacey or airy or anxious or scattered, there are qualities in herbs that can help them feel grounded and more earth-based. Someone else who's feeling excessively earth-based maybe more depressive or feeling a bit heavy and are unmotivated, there are herbs that actually have qualities that are going to be uplifting, lighter, that are going to provide more spaciousness.

Meghan: I love that.

Tiffany:  So it can be more physically oriented or it can be more energetically.

Meghan: That's beautiful. And I love the component of uniqueness because as we are trained in our profession as well is that treating each individual as they are. And so often, I see protocols left, right, and center. There's books on it. "There's one way to eat, there's one supplement to take for loss of energy, one supplement to take for depression." And it's never sat with me because exactly that, we are not honoring the individuality of each person.

Tiffany: Yes.

Meghan: It's interesting to hear too, that the energetic component is sort of first and herbs are way down at the bottom. And it's not that they're not important, but just, we always think of it from my perspective as being first and then everything else falls behind. So that's beautiful that you're putting the unique energy of each person first. I love that. Okay. So another thing that I wanted to ask you, because I'm on your site all the time, of course, your motto is, come back to life. Can you expand on that and why you chose that is sort of your first thing we see when we pop up on your site. Why is that so important?

Tiffany: It's funny when you ask this Meghan, because a lot of things with rasa weren't chosen by me. Well, let me say that, and I don't mean they were chosen by someone else. What I mean is they just came.

Meghan: Wow.

Tiffany: They just really came. It wasn't really a very mental process. And I would say because of that, it really feels like there was a certain vessel dumb, if we can use that word, like these things really wanted to be born into space, they really wanted to come. So in the same way, one day, I don't know if it was after meditation or how it came. And it just was very clear, come back to life. You know, that's exactly what Ayurveda intends towards, to return us to the fullness of what it is to be alive. Ayurveda, so Ayus and Veda, which really means, so Ayus means life and Veda means the knowledge of, the wisdom of or the science of, so really it's a recognition of being alive.

       That's what Ayurveda brings us to. And knowledge of what it is to be fully alive. So, come back to life, was really that invitation, like not just our products or our apothecary items, but the science of Ayurveda and all the teaching and education we do, we really invite people to be here in the precious time we have on this planet and in these bodies to be alive, so many of us say, "Yeah, I'm alive" but are we alive, alive? Are we awake while we're alive? Are we really living into this time? And I think there's a pertinent even to that now, on a global scale, everything that's happening on our planet right now to really stop and ask that question, are we coming back to being alive to life fully? So that's how it arose. And it inspired me even when it came, because I didn't create it.

Meghan: Absolutely. I love that. Yeah, I often say too, that there's sort of two worlds and as I've entered the world of meditation in the last few years, there's a live in the busyness and doing the things that we do to provide service to people and the interactions that we have socially that's alive. But there's also alive that's here and so deep and it's like two worlds. And I always say, I feel like this dichotomy, like I'm trying to be present and trying to be fully in my body and who I am and be awake, but I'm also trying to fill the needs of the outer world. And so it's kind of like this flip-flopping that I feel like I'm doing, and I love the "come back to life" because I think there's a way we can merge both of them. And to me, when I saw that written in front of me, it was this immediate message of coming back to life so that I can just be one. It doesn't have to feel split. It doesn't have to feel forced. And I just adore that. So I guess it did have to be there because it's helping people like me. So thank you.

Tiffany: It's so beautiful. And from what you say, it reminds me of something that his holiness, Dalai Lama said, and he said for any real outer disarmament, let there be inner disarmament first. So let us come to that aliveness, let us come to ourselves to the wakefulness that lives here so that the entirety of our lives can be awakened. Right. So in the same way, let us come back to the life within so that all of our lives can really be a flowing force of that. And so again, as you're talking about like that inclusivity, that it's a lift meditation that we live into our lives as we're also living into ourselves and that they're not separate anyway.

Meghan: Yeah, that's beautiful. I think we were just talking actually before we recorded. And we were talking about how people are sort of programmed to be distracted and programmed to be busy and what a beautiful time right now it is to reconnect with that place that feels unsettled because we have no distractions. It's such a beautiful time to sit with yourself. And I always say to people who are starting meditation or any practice of energy, it's very uncomfortable at first. And I think just from a sort of an empath that I am, I'm feeling that discomfort of everyone right now, as a global feeling of what am I supposed to be doing? Like my purpose is to dah dah, dah, dah. Well, no. So it's this feeling, this generalized anxiety, this discomfort. So what a beautiful time to come back to life to really come back to life.

Tiffany:  There's such a medicine in boredom. It's really medicinal, I would say. And what's being provided now as a spaciousness of being a little bit, having to be pensive in this whole space of being a bit bored and also maybe fearful, but just the fact that we're provided with this space in which there's a nothingness. And then emptying out, it's recalibrating. It's really shifting everything. I would say for a lot of individuals and asking us, it's an invitation, to come back to life, so.

Meghan: What a perfect time to have you here to help teach us how to do that. So the other question I had for you is that as we talked about your products are so personal, almost intimate in a way that I can sense that difference between taking the mass produced supplements and taking yours. So I sort of wanted you to tell us the formulation process of how you put these products together. What differentiates you from that mass market? And why is it that when I take these, I sense something different and I know this sounds cheesy, it sounds funny, but I'm telling you, there's a reason I'm passionate about these. They work, but there's something that shifts every time I put it in my body. And I just want to know what do you guys do over there?

Tiffany: I'm over here celebrating, I have this huge smile. I wish everyone could see on my face and in my heart. Yes. So you're not actually the first person who says this and every time I hear it, there's just such a joy that leaps up. So it goes back to what you asked me also about, come back to life, and as I said, there was this vessel-dom that started to happen also when I was inspired that these apothecary offerings, that this medicine should make its way firstly to Canadian soil. And we'll see if it spreads beyond. And so the formulas also started to come, let's say it in that way. And all these ideas for the ways in which I had been offering to clients over the years started to really just come in this robust form, different inspirations, herbs would come either in my fields, like I would be in India or would be here in Canada.

         And I would see them growing or the intimacy, or I would even have dreams in which they would start coming. And various ways in which the relationship with plants started to grow and herbs started to grow. And then the formulas and the inspiration really started to come. And I really can see the way in which Dharma, as we consider it in the Vedic tradition, like when life wants to bear something, when it wants to birth something, it's just really clear and we get really pregnant. So it started to come in that way. And then the inspiration through the blessing of the lineage of teachers and doctors that I've had the experience to be within this life, really receiving prayer and mantra, and the benefit of those teachings as well has amplified what it is that you're receiving Meghan, because with each one of the products, it's a small batch hand process.

    So we're directly in relationship. We make sure that every time one of these is touched or is created, it's at a specific timing. We work with the herbs in a very silent way or with mantra only. So there's no, for example, if you come into our manufacturing space, there's no unnecessary talk. There's no gossiping. There's no kind of just conversational speech because we really want to make sure about the energy that is given. And there's an intentional meditation that's really happening. So love mantra. And also it was really part of the vision that all of the herbs would be of the highest quality. So it took us a long time to make sure that every supplier was in love with life, in love with plants. So those that were receiving from, or the growers were receiving from, it's either organic or wildcrafted, 99% of what we have is organic, certified organic.

      Then the other wide 1% is wildcrafted and vegan. So all of that combined together, it just really brings this aliveness, I suppose, to each and every one of these medicines, as well as we have a concept Ayurveda, some yoga, which means the combination, the combining of things. So that's a whole science and art to be learned how we combine herbs together. And of course we know this even in naturopathic and other science today, even this symbol combination of like tumeric and black pepper that many people often ask me about. So we have a lot of wisdom of that also in Ayurveda. And so you'll find that also in each one of the formulas, that there's a very specific combination that amplifies and that brings things together.

Meghan: Beautiful, the synergy of these components. Yeah. So that's beautiful. I pictured when you were talking about, I pictured this big factory in the city with a hundred workers and tons of noise, and then I pictured yours and, right there alone. I mean, you can just see that beauty. So that's lovely and how many people are working.

Tiffany:  Currently we're a team of five, but really there's two of us, myself and the beautiful Lisa Powers, she's alongside me. And she really helped to bring this vision into manifestation. So the two of us, and then we have three other women and really were women run and owned. And also we try to support really women's cooperative. So we have a couple of product lines like our whole women's health product line. We have reusable menstrual pads, which are made by women in Southern India. And they support actually young women in India. Every pad that's purchased a pad is given to a young woman, as well as menstrual and sexual health education there. So we have a few different projects that support, that our copper makers as well are copper artisans. There's some women's co-op, there are hand-rolled medicinal incense. It's a women's co-op as well. So women sort of, run and owned, but we're still small and we're growing quickly. So I'm wondering, when you say like a hundred percent factory, eventually our homesteads, our Rasa homestead will have to grow and how we're going to do that. We'll see what life [crosstalk 00:21:13]

Meghan: I like you'll find a way to do it to still encompass, right. That's the backbone to what you do. So you'll find a way.

Tiffany: Absolutely. We were recently offered the option of, kind of like a co-packer where someone would help to take some of the formulas and manufacturer as we grow. And it was so beautiful because I sat down with Lisa to discuss this option. And she said, "Yeah, but they won't do the mantras in the same way, Tiffany. They won't be able to." And I said, "exactly." And I said, "I just wanted to run this fast." She said, "No."

Meghan: Good for you to keep that, because I think as companies grow, you can lose that initial intent. Right. Because it just becomes about something bigger. So keeping that close to your heart, which I know you will, will be the difference between everyone else and Rasa products.

Tiffany: Yes, even you've probably noticed Meghan, people ask us about the packaging because we ship, we are also e-commerce. So we have this online store and we package everything in this Amber Glass or in craft paper bags. And of course we could package in plastic. Of course, we could do that. All of our filler and our boxes they're recycled boxes. The fill the crinkle paper is all recycled paper. So everything we're using is recyclable or compostable. And of course it costs much more, both for us to produce and to package it in that and also to ship it. But we feel that those bottles are so beautiful. You probably reuse them. And if you don't, they'll be recyclable. So even those right down to that, it took us a good couple of years to even land into all of those things before we could really launch as well in the way we wanted to.

Meghan: Absolutely and I love the little handwritten note that I get with every package, it's beautiful and incense and different things. And actually a lot of people that I've worked with have written me after and said, "Oh my gosh, I got the package. And they wrote me a note." So it is recognized and it is acknowledged and it is loved. So thank you so much.

Tiffany: I'm so glad.

Meghan: I talk a lot about mental and emotional and physical detoxification in what I do in returning the body to its natural state. That's kind of the philosophy behind everything that I do. And I do it in different ways. I know you work with people one-on-one as well. Can you tell us what services you offer? And then we'll talk a little bit about the detox products that you have in quote, I know that's just a label, but I want to talk to you about a couple of products that I use regularly and that I use with people as well. But I thought it would be nice to explore what you do with people one-on-one because it's not just the products, it's also the service component. And I'd love to hear about that.

Tiffany: It's really beautiful. Yeah, people often ask, what is it that you do Tiffany? So in the Ayurvedic sense, I work clinically one-on-one with individuals, but I also work one-on-one with individuals in what I call presence sessions with yoga meditation. Actually my work with Ayurveda all came from my love for meditation and yoga and all those years spent living and retreating and sharing in India. So, besides the retreats and the teacher trainings and all the things we do on that side, I also see people in this one-on-one capacity. And I used to see people clinically in a physical space here in Canada when I was here. But because I travel so much, what it started to happen, actually, Megan, I opened a virtual office. And so much of my work with individuals is actually in an online space, which at the beginning, I was a bit worried as to whether or not we would have enough connection intimacy as it's an energy medicine again, as well.

      What I found is somehow beautifully, we could still take the pulse of being together in that way. So I see people for Ayurvedic consultations in which we have a whole host of ways that we do diagnostics everywhere from physical pulse to also energetic pulse, to seeing the tongue, to intake of questions, to various things in which we receive. And then we work together through those three forms of medicine. I talked to you about before, through diet and lifestyle. There's a whole host of things in lifestyle, especially today that need to be reoriented for many of us. And then with the herbs, with herbal suggestions and then with yoga meditation therapy as well. And one-on-ones in that area. So I see people a lot in that capacity. And then I also teach a lot of online programs. So that's not one-on-one, but again, that's widening the way in which this becomes available for people all over the world, so we can meet together and you can be in your pajamas.

Meghan: Which is the best because I think everyone's in their pajamas right now.

Tiffany: Exactly, it's so beautiful.

Meghan: You're doing the live meditations as well right now. And I will share more information on that in post links for people as well with the podcast, if you're okay with that. So people can enjoy that. So in terms of the detoxification, I know you have the liver scrub and you have the Cleanse and Clarity tea, and you've got a lot of fantastic, I put in quote, detox products because they're much more than that, but what is your take on detoxification in the process of healing? Again, not just physically, but mentally and emotionally as well. In terms of whether it's just things that need to be purged from the body, whether it's redirection of the entire system of the body to allow it to equilibrate more in terms of the good and the bad, what is your take on detoxification. I don't know, from an Ayurvedic perspective, what that is.

Tiffany:  I love that you're asking that question and I also love how you were classifying because it's exactly how it's intended, how it moved through me, like the Cleanse and Clarify Tea, the liver scrub. I often even the skin purge as well because it's very blood cleansing, the skin purge potion, those are all very detoxifying products. And so the way in which Ayurveda comes to like fasting, cleansing, detoxing is a little bit maybe different, let's say different than what's happening on a contemporary scale, what you were pointing to before as well, which is sometimes, we go to our local bookstore or our local, I don't know where else we can say that it's shared, but we see these kinds of one size fits all books or prescriptions, or even online towards detox, fasting, cleansing, like everyone should do the following juice fast, or everyone should do the following cleanse because it worked for this person or that person.

        And Ayurveda as I was sharing before really doesn't believe in the concept of one size fits all. And actually we see that it could be detrimental. So cleansing really has to be approached for the right person at the right time. And that right time means for that person, but also the right time seasonally. So in Ayurveda, we really talk about the junctions of the seasons as very important times to detox. So for example, those are called the Sunday's kind of those spaces in between the spring sort of, as winter becomes spring. So now is a great time. And then also as summer moves towards fall, and we look at the strength of the person, we look at the level of toxicity that is happening within the person. We look at the age also of course like elderly or children. So there's a lot of considerations we have, but more than that, I think what's really interesting for us to know from an Ayurvedic standpoint is there is a concept in Ayurveda, Ama, A-M-A. And what it means is, it means toxicity or held waste, and that waste can be held physically, but it can also be held energetically, emotionally and mentally.

       So it can be held on every, what we call Kosha, every layer of our human existence and that Ama, it blocks our natural flow. It blocks our naturalness. It blocks us being in Swastha, being in health because health, according to Ayurveda is health of the physical body, but also health of the emotional body, health of the soul. Actually they point to the fact that one should actually be healthy in their solar, connected to their soul and health also of the five senses so there's health on every level. It's a beautiful description of health in Ayurveda. And when Ama is blocking the channels of any of those levels, so we're blocked physically, we're blocked, as far as our hearts are being this when we're blocked in our minds. So it also points to the mind being healthy, or we're blocked in our five senses.

        And all of those can be blocked by Ama and then the naturalness of how life, have coming back to life is supposed to be moving through. It is just not available. It also points to the relationship between that Ama and what's called Agni. So our digestive fire it's actually called Jataragni and that if Ama is really blocking the channels in the system, our digestion, whether it's physically our capacity to digest our mental capacity to digest life, will be very blocked as well. So when we come to detoxifying in Ayurveda we really talk about the fact that this is necessary for that natural flow on every one of those levels, but also, so that digestive capacity is in its fullness. It's in its balance, whether it's physical digestion, so we're getting the nutrition we need to be, or it's mental digestion. So that which we're supposed to receive from life we do and the gunk, the stuff that we're not supposed to be ingesting, the negativity and all the other stuff, it doesn't land here. It doesn't stick, it doesn't stay. So detoxing, the way in which we do it is more applied person to person, but it is very much an embedded part of Ayurveda in recognizing that Ama is something that needs to be removed, especially in our contemporary lives. We're just so inundated with pollutants physically, but also emotionally, mentally. And that's why Dinacharya, daily routine in Ayurveda is like a daily detox actually. And in that way, I could say Meghan that the products we've pointed to now are powerful detoxing or cleansing agents, but even all the different Dinacharya products, we have, like the oral rinse, our Gandusha oil, or for example, tongue scraping or drinking from a copper water bottle or using Neti, which is the pot for cleansing the nose or nausea, the oiling for those. All those small rituals every day are actually the way Ayurveda believes that you're going to establish that relationship of moving out Ama and really repairing and keeping a very strong Agni. So it's a daily kind of gentle detox because in Ayurveda we differentiate with so many things I can share with you, but we differentiate between a strong purification, which is called Shodhana, which is more like going for a strong detox program or using those stronger products versus Shamana , which is a gentle daily purification, which can be found in what we eat, how we live and doing that daily routine. That's not too much. I hope that.

Meghan: No, that's incredible because that's exactly what my foundation is built upon, is that sort of daily component of detoxification so that it's not this one big purge we do every year. And then everyone's great. It's like, what are we doing day to day that's allowing our bodies to naturally come back to its intended state. And that's what it's all about to me. So thank you, that captured it beautifully. Okay, so I know I could keep you here all day talking about it, but I think the main thing that we're all getting from this is that it's not just about supplementation. There's so much more to the human body, to the human mind. And I'm so excited to be partnering a little bit with Lisa and Tiffany on some product information I will share with you at a later date, but I'm so passionate about it that I want to pour it into the world as well. So I feel so grateful that I have met you and we haven't met face to face yet, but that is the intention. And I really look forward to that. The last question I want to ask you today, that might be interesting. And I don't ask everyone this, but I feel I need to ask you this, who inspires you?

Tiffany: Yes. Well, the first thing that I want to say, because of what you were saying now Meghan, is I'm also really grateful for individuals like yourself, but yourself in this very moment, because really, I feel that as the collectivity, as the Sanga, as the community of heart dwellers, we could really say, and health warriors increases as more and more individuals like yourself, come back to their own life and their own life force and their own purposefulness. That's really drawing them to come into the world and servitude the more, I'm just so, so deeply inspired. And so for us it's such a gift that Rasa has a place to land also educationally, but also that the products make their way through the hands and hearts of beings like yourself. So thank you so so much, firstly.

Meghan: That's lovely. Thank you so much

Tiffany:  Work you're doing also through this podcast, this is just absolutely beautiful to allow us to access so many lives and hearts.

Meghan: Well, thank you. Yeah. My biggest thing is that, through my own healing journey, I've just met so many incredible people that I remember saying one day, like, I feel like I need to write a book or I need to put something up or I need to share this because I can't keep it all to myself. I feel like I'm given these beautiful gifts of knowledge and experience and I need to share them. And so thank you for recognizing that because this podcast, that's what it is. It's just giving this information to everyone. So we all have access to being who we really are and living our best life. That's as simple as it is. So thank you for being a part of it that.

Tiffany: Yes, absolutely. And thank you for this question around, who inspires me. So I would say, really feeling as life, as universe, as God, whatever we want to call it, pulses through so many individuals, I feel like every day in those little ways being inspired to see the teachings of the teachers, the guru, the Sadhguru. The life has grew and so many beings and the way we're all called in this way right now. And I really feel a shift, that's shifting time. And then of course there are the inspirations of some of the great teachers that I've had in my life, my own Guruji's, you would say. And so my Ayurvedic guruji Gerdau always offer so much thankfulness to Dr.Vasantlal, as well as others. There have been other beings, but when he poured into my heart and my life, and I was able to be in India with him in the clinical form, that really really, it compelled me to come into the worlds with these offerings.

      Actually he even said it, he said, "It is kind of obliged now, it's a requirement," And so in that way, I feel so deeply inspired and constantly backed by the potency of the tradition and the lineage, and then my own teacher as well, my own spiritual teacher, Baba, just very very inspired towards the teachings of non-duality and that really, you feel the infusion of that also in Rasa, because in many ways the company has really infused both Lisa and I are devotes of that tradition as well. And so, yeah, I really need to offer some humble reverence to the fact that really inspires the life of this as well and all that you're feeling from Meghan.

Meghan: Beautiful, thank you so much. It has just been a pleasure talking about these principles and understanding Ayurvedic medicine and where it comes from. And I think generally people don't understand the concept until they have experience with it, either through someone like you or through a product that really changes them. So I'm so grateful for you being here today.

Tiffany: Thank you Meghan.

Meghan: You can visit the Rasa site at rasaayurvadic.com to learn more about Tiffany and her incredible company. I will post the link on the podcast description as well. Thank you as always to our listeners for being here and putting your health first, if you enjoyed this episode, as much as we did, please share with friends and family, and don't forget to subscribe to our show as we have so many incredible chats yet to come.